Public and Private Corporal Punishment

When you say something about spanking a child, you get mixed reactions from people. I am amazed that so many people in Appalachia still openly threaten to spank their children in public. It makes no difference whether you support it or not, people can get into trouble with the authorities for it.

Recently, there was news coverage of a 2nd grade boy, who was pepper sprayed by the police. This really pushed my buttons. I have never understood why I was not allowed to spank my children, (if I had been so inclined), but teachers and principals in my state of Ohio were allowed to. See News Report Here: Pepper Spray

They are not only allowed to spank, but they are allowed to use modified two by fours, which they call paddles. If you strike an adult with a board, you will be charged with assault at the very least. But, it’s o.k. to do that to a defenseless child. This makes absolutely no sense to me.

When my kids were in school, I told them to never submit willingly to a paddling. They were told to run as fast and as far as they could; to tell the school employees that, they had better contact me before they considered it.

People think they have no recourse, if their child is physically disciplined. My son was not very big when he was in Middle School. At an after school program, a great big high school coach, picked him up and threw him up against some lockers. Guess what I did?

I called the police and filed an assault charge. I live in a very corrupt county, so it didn’t do me much good. CPS came to my house and questioned me to see if I had hit him and tried to blame it on the coach. They also intimidated the witnesses into thinking they would be punished if they told the truth. But the point is, if more people fight back, then maybe some reform can be made.


American Medical Association, (1985): “Infliction of pain or discomfort, however minor, is not a desirable method of communicating with children.”

Dr. Ralph Welsh, who has given psychological exams to over 2,000 delinquents has said: 

“…it is now apparent that the recidivist male delinquent who was never struck with a belt, board, extension cord, fist, or an equivalent is virtually nonexistent. Even after 10 years, the full impact of this discovery is still difficult to comprehend.”
“As the severity of corporal punishment in the delinquent’s developmental history increases, so does the probability that he will engage in a violent act.” 3
“I have yet to see a repeat male delinquent that wasn’t raised on a belt, board, cord, or fist.” 

Anon: “Spanking is simply another form of terrorism. It teaches the victims that might makes right, and that problems can be solved through the use of violence by the strong against the weak.” 

Dr. Benjamin Spock: If we are ever to turn toward a kindlier society and a safer world, a revulsion against the physical punishment of children would be a good place to start.

Comments by Parents and Teachers Against Violence in Education (PTAVE) from their website at

“Spanking does for a child’s development what wife-beating does for a marriage.” 


“At this time in the United States, the only people who can smack someone on the buttocks as part of their paid professional duties are schoolteachers, prostitutes and performers in the pornography filming industry.”
Quintilian (circa 35 – 95 CE) from his “Institutes of Oratory.” This was written about the same time as the Gospel of Mark.

“I disapprove of flogging, although it is the regular custom… because in the first place it is a disgraceful form of punishment and fit only for slaves, and is in any case an insult, as you will realize if you imagine its infliction at a later age. Secondly if a boy is so insensible to instruction that reproof is useless, he will, like the worst type of slave, merely become hardened to blows… And though you may compel a child with blows, what are you to do with him when he is a young man no longer amenable to such threats and confronted with tasks of far greater difficulty? Moreover when children are beaten, pain or fear frequently have results of which it is not pleasant to speak and which are likely subsequently to be a source of shame, a shame which unnerves and depresses the mind and leads the child to shun and loathe the light….I will not linger on this subject; it is more than enough if I have made my meaning clear. I will content myself with saying that children are helpless and easily victimized, and that therefore no one should be given unlimited power over them.”

Discipline isn’t just punishing, forcing compliance or stamping out bad behavior. Rather, discipline has to do with teaching proper deportment, caring about others, controlling oneself and putting someone else’s wishes before one’s own when the occasion calls for it.

Lawrence Balter (20th century), U.S. psychologist and author. Who’s In Control? Ch. 1 (1989).

While criticism or fear of punishment may restrain us from doing wrong, it does not make us wish to do right. Disregarding this simple fact is the great error into which parents and educators fall when they rely on these negative means of correction. The only effective discipline is self-discipline, motivated by the inner desire to act meritoriously in order to do well in one’s own eyes, according to one’s own values, so that one may feel good about oneself may “have a good conscience.”

Punishment may make us obey the orders we are given, but at best it will only teach an obedience to authority, not a self-control which enhances our self-respect.


The Bible is often used as a means to justify corporal punishment of children. There are major flaws with this logic. First of all, the Old Testament is no longer binding on Christians, because Christ established a New Covenant to do away with the old. I have no idea what the Torah and the Quran say about corporal punishment of children, and have no desire to look it up tonight. I may at some other point.

The scripture that says “Spare the rod and spoil the child.”, could easily be interpreted as meaning that you should, not as a warning not to. Look it up and read it in context and see if you can see a different spin on it.

Religion is not supposed to be present in our public schools and institutions, so there does not seem to be any religious justification for physical punishment by teachers or police.

Bruno Bettelheim (20th century), Austrian-born child psychologist. A Good Enough Parent, ch. 10 (1987).


Historical Events and how they Effect Our Lives

I have been thinking about going to one of those, “This Day In History” sites and writing in my journal about how different events have had an impact on my life.

Then last night I watched Obama’s Inaugural Celebration on HBO.  I was not pleased.  Someone on an email list I subscribe to noticed that HBO did not air the prayer given at the beginning.  They believe this to be because he way Gay.

I wouldn’t have even noticed the Gay thing. I would have been offended at a national broadcast containing a comparison of Barach with Jesus.  The implication in the prayer is that we need God’s help to keep us from comparing the two.
I for one would not consider that there is any comparison.  Jewish people would have been offended if he had asked that we not compare Barach to Moses or Abraham and Muslim people kill people for calling a stuffed bear Mohammed, let alone calling a man that.
Also, there has been a decided effort in the press to keep all mention of religion and Barach separate because it is a political powder keg.
It’s funny that they made this observation when  I have just been journaling about how I watched HBO with very mixed emotions last night.  I am very patriotic. It’s in my blood. My ancestors were all here before the Revolutionary War and fought in all of the wars since then.  In that sense last night was moving.
But the thing that most disturbed me was the deliberate indoctrination and propaganda. The only thing I have ever seen to compare it to are the old black and white films of Hitler and the Nazi’s at their propaganda rallies.  Everyone who came on stage compared black and white or hispanic and white etc.  If they did not do that then they were comparing Barach to Abraham Lincoln.  Personally, he hasn’t done anything Lincoln like. Now if he does something later and then gets assasinated for it, then we can talk.
I felt that the blatant use of race all through the ceremony was more likely to make racists paranoid than to unite people.  If I were inclined to be racist or prejudice, someone slapping me in the face and saying, “Hey, this is how you have to think now if you don’t want to be considered unpatriotic,” would not make me inclined to change my views. I have always been the sort to do the opposite of what I was ordered to do, even if it had originally been my intent.  I don’t like people trying to control my thoughts even when I agree with them.
If you change the way you think because someone tells you that it is what you should think in order to be “PC” and like everyone else, then you don’t really believe in these new thoughts, you are just following along.  Anyone who tries to get you to do that has no respect for you and believes you will follow along like lemmings over the cliff.  And do you really respect yourself if you follow?
That was what really bothered me about the ceremony. I felt disrespected and talked down to.
The only thing they did not try to pair up for comparison in order to tell us we are all the same, was a gay man and a straight man.  We are not all the same.  Everyone deserves to be respected for their differences. In order to be treated fairly, do I have to give up my differences?
If his gentleman who gave the opening prayer is openly gay and right wing, that’s really saying something.  Usually, right wing is associated with “Right Wing, Moral Majority”, as in Jerry Falwell. They do not usually want anything to do with the word Gay.  It is saying something about the American political situation if you can be gay and right wing after all of the moral majority talk about it destroying family values. So, Americans are being able to change their thinking all without help from the Obama political machine.
But again, I don’t agree with the Moral Majority having anything to do with politics. I am Christian, but that doesn’t mean that Falwell’s buddies should tell me what that means or is allowed to be any more than Obama’s people had a right to tell me what Patriotic means. I did notice that they forgot to mention that Abraham Lincoln, being only a man and not a Messiah, did not originally intend to write the “Emancipation Proclamation”, until war was inevitable anyway and he figured it couldn’t make things worse than they already were.
Along with a proud history of military service, my family also includes conscientious objectors and Native Americans as well as people who believe in religious freedom and freedom of speech. I was taught that it is my responsibility to think for myself, to never believe something is so, just because someone else says it is, to find out the truth myself, and that just because most people believe something to be right, may only mean that most people are wrong.
This is also going on my Top 100 Things That Make Me Scream list; when people try to tell me how to think or feel.

Queen Elizabeth II

I have noticed that Elizabeth has to ride in open horse drawn carriages pretty often.  When the showed her on t.v. at Jamestown in a carriage, it suddenly occurred to me that she has to be thinking, “I’m old and I’m the bleeding Queen, I should be able to ride in something with air conditioning. I shouldn’t be downwind from a horses’ ass.” 

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Rome had Caesar, a man of remarkable governing talents, although it must be said that a ruler who arouses opponents to resort to assassination is probably not as smart as he ought to be.
– Barbara W. Tuchman, 1912 – 1989

Assassination is the extreme form of censorship.
– George Bernard Shaw, 1856 – 1950

If I die a violent death, as some fear and a few are plotting, I know that the violence will be in the thought and the action of the assassins, not in my dying.
– Indira Nehru Gandhi, 1917 – 1984

The best government is a benevolent tyranny tempered by an occasional assassination.
– Voltaire (François Marie Arouet), 1694 – 1778

Those who want the Government to regulate matters of the mind and spirit are like men who are so afraid of being murdered that they commit suicide to avoid assassination.
– Harry S Truman, 1884 – 1972

Every two years the American politics industry fills the airwaves with the most virulent, scurrilous, wall-to-wall character assassination of nearly every political practitioner in the country – and then declares itself puzzled that America has lost trust in its politicians.
– Charles Krauthammer

political patriotic quotes

Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.
Henry Steele Commager, 1902 – 1998

It has now become the doctrine of a large clan of politicians that political honesty is unnecessary, slow, subversive of a man’s interests, and incompatible with quick onward movement.
Anthony Trollope, 1815 – 1882

It would indeed be ironic if, in the name of national defence, we would sanction the subversion of one of those liberties which make the defence of our nation worthwhile.
Earl Warren, 1891 – 1974

And who can doubt that it will lead to the worst disorders when minds created free by God are compelled to submit slavishly to an outside will? When we are told to deny our senses and subject them to the whim of others? When people devoid of whatsoever competence are made judges over experts and are granted authority to treat them as they please? These are the novelties which are apt to bring about the ruin of commonwealths and the subversion of the state.
Galileo Galilei, 1564 – 1642

Do you want me to tell you something really subversive? Love is everything it’s cracked up to be. That’s why people are so cynical about it…. It really is worth fighting for, being brave for, risking everything for. And the trouble is, if you don’t risk anything, you risk even more.
Erica Jong

Anti Bush comments?

I’m not sure why, but a person calling themselves AntiBush, posted comments which were attached to my about page that were AntiBush. I posted my replies and thought maybe a few quotes on the subject would be appropriate.

All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions.-Adlai Ewing Stevenson

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.-Adlai Ewing Stevenson

You can find my responses and the original posted comment under comments.


We live in a moment of history where change is so speeded up that we begin to see the present only when it is already disappearing.


Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, these ripples build a current that sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistence.